{"id":1174,"date":"2022-08-02T05:35:29","date_gmt":"2022-08-02T05:35:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/?p=1174"},"modified":"2022-08-02T05:35:30","modified_gmt":"2022-08-02T05:35:30","slug":"opinionwould-democratic-socialism-be-better","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/opinionwould-democratic-socialism-be-better\/","title":{"rendered":"(Opinion)Would Democratic Socialism be Better?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Sharing this opinion as an interesting idea , (what is your opinion about it)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Personal I dont agree with this idea )<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>comunity sharing more social activity than economic ideas , fair competition , will bring better and the best of things and it will be successful , successful deserve big win , being supportive to one in the startup projects , start up students deserve to help stablish a solid step <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I hope you like it , tell us what do you think <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All best , sharing <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve just received a copy of Lane Kenworthy\u2019s latest back&nbsp;<em>Would Democratic Socialism be Better<\/em>&nbsp;(Shorter LK: \u201ccapitalism, and particularly social democratic capitalism, is better<br>than many democratic socialists seem to think\u201d).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The book is a follow-up to his&nbsp;<em>Social Democratic Capitalism<\/em>, which made the case that the USA would be better off moving to a Nordic model of social democracy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m hoping to make a longer response soon, but I thought I\u2019d begin by summing up the argument as I see it, and the reasons I\u2019m unconvinced.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The way Kenworthy approaches the question is, I think, bound to lead to a negative answer. Since we haven\u2019t had any experience of anything that could really be called democratic socialism, as opposed to social democratic capitalism, it\u2019s hard to make any stronger response than \u201cwe don\u2019t know, but it\u2019s worth a try\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But Kenworthy puts the burden of proof entirely on the advocates of socialism. The book is full of statements like \u201c I\u2019m not<br>aware of a convincing case\u201d and \u201cI don\u2019t see a compelling reason\u201d. Given this general approach, it\u2019s hard to imagine that any radical alternative to the&nbsp;<em>status quo&nbsp;<\/em>would pass muster.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To get a bit more specific, the central approach of this book, as with Social Democratic Capitalism, is a set of cross-country comparisons between developed capitalist countries, with the USA at one pole, and the Nordic countries, most notably Sweden, at the other (Korea is also included, which tends more to confuse than enlighten, given that it\u2019s an outlier in most of the comparisons, with a minimal welfare state). The problem here is that, while these countries differ radically in terms of the way their health and welfare systems are organized, they all have much the same division between public and private production of marketed goods and services.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the absence of significant international differences on this score, cross-country comparisons don\u2019t tell us much about whether public ownership of industry is beneficial, harmful or neutral. Indeed, having stated in the introductory chapter that \u2018the core distinguishing features of contemporary democratic socialist ideas are public ownership of firms and economic democracy\u2019, Kenworthy barely mentions public ownership in the body of the book, and only as a hypothetical feature of socialism. Nationalization, the archetypal socialist policy, fares worse, not even making it into the index (a search reveals two mentions.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By contrast with the lack of cross-country variation, the role of public ownership has varied widely over time, reaching a peak around 1970, before being rolled back by the rise of financialised capitalism from the 1980s onwards. The decline of public ownership is correlated with adverse trends in most of the measures socialists would like to consider: inequality, union membership, unemployment, financial stability and the strength of democratic institutions. An analysis with some discussion of the causal relation ships involved would be a worthwhile contribution to the discussion. But when Kenworthy notes these trends, he treats them as natural, if rather mysterious, tendencies of the economic system. A typical quote<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Will the rise in income inequality between the top 1 percent and the bottom 99 percent continue? There is no way to know. Perhaps a new development\u2014 a deep economic downturn, a shift in political priorities, or something else\u2014 will produce another reversal like the one in the middle of the twentieth century. All we can say with confidence is that this hasn\u2019t happened yet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>It seems unlikely that such a shrug of the shoulders is going to convince many advocates of democratic socialism to change their views.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"512\" height=\"397\" src=\"http:\/\/www.whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/free-stuff-rat-trap.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1176\" srcset=\"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/free-stuff-rat-trap.jpg 512w, http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/free-stuff-rat-trap-300x233.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>But even if his answer is unsatisfying, Kenworthy\u2019s question is one that needs to be asked, and answered with more than rhetoric. In a subsequent instalment, I plan to attempt or at least start to attempt, an answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>     <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sharing this opinion as an interesting idea , (what is your opinion about it) (Personal<span class=\"more-button\"><a href=\"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/opinionwould-democratic-socialism-be-better\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">(Opinion)Would Democratic Socialism be Better?<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1175,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1174","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1174","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1174"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1174\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1177,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1174\/revisions\/1177"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1175"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1174"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1174"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/whatistandfor.co\/conservativecitizen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1174"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}